Tuesday, June 1, 2010

A car that runs on Air what a Breeze

Could this be the Answer to our transport needs?
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• Since the injected air is much colder than the compressed air in the chamber, the injected air is heated instantaneously, causing a sudden expansion, which pushes the piston down (in an expansion stroke)

3 comments:

  1. Hmmm - this is lifted 'in toto' from a two year old report

    eg
    http://www.themotorreport.com.au/5732/tata-air-car-powered-entirely-by-compressed-air-blow-me-down

    Attractive as the comments inferring conspiracies by oil cartels might be, I have done some calculations on the potential energy inherent in a 300l tank of air compressed to 300 bar.

    The shortfall in comparison with the claimed range is so stark that I personally consider this to be scam engineering, a repackaging of the central precepts of perpetual motion, and that to me is sufficient explanation for why this idea (which has been around about a whole decade) keeps going nowhere.

    The explanations hint at some novel way of unlocking the heat energy inherent in the compressed air. This would either require a massive temperature difference between the tank (hot) and ambient, or the extraction of massive amounts of heat from ambient air, which could not possibly happen in the time available (and if it could, the vehicle would act like a mobile blast freezer.)

    In 2002 the taxis in Mexico city were all going to be swapped over to CAT technology; nothing happened.

    In 2008 a vehicle was to be entered in an international contest against other alternative fuel vehicles. Again, nothing seems to have happened.

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  2. Compressed air at 300 bar realised through a half inch hole to atmosphere will cool to -3 deg centigrade there in lies the trick so no need for a (and if it could, the vehicle would act like a mobile blast freezer.) as you so eloquently said Anonymous

    Read this
    http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/vehicles/air-car.htm

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  3. In December 2009 Tata's vice president of engineering systems confirmed that the limited range and low engine temperatures were causing problems

    Which seems to support what the first poster said about the unrealistic claims and the thermodynamic improbabilities.

    Howstuffworks link reads like it was written by a journalist. I've yet to see anything that doesn't read like that, unless it was written by a publicist.

    I haven't talked to an engineer or a scientist who thought this was not a scam.

    Nothing Tata has said suggests they've got any further in the last four years than they said they'd gotten in 2008. The song remains the same. I think they must be hoping if they postpone it for long enough they can retire, be bought out, or the stockholders will forget or die, so they are spared having to admit they've been taken in.

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